Amazon refused to publish my negative review of the Netgear R6700 Nighthawk router they sold me. Why?The problem of fake reviews on TripAdvisor, Amazon, Yelp, and other similar websites featuring user reviews to provide an important part of helping people make decisions is well-known. There are problems with both fake positive reviews (where establishments arrange for fake positive reviews) and fake negative reviews (presumably created by jealous competitors).
A year ago a couple of people in London gamed TripAdvisor to the point that TripAdvisor designated their restaurant the best restaurant in all of London, better even than famous Michelin starred restaurants, the best of over 18,000 London restaurants listed/reviewed by TripAdvisor.
The surprising thing about this is the new best restaurant did not exist. It was all a fun figment of the imagination, and the entire process was done for fun and to prove a point about how susceptible to distortion such ratings are. (There’s a great story detailing how this was done here.)
It is true that it is very hard for the sites to adequately police and intercept all the fake reviews that infest their sites. Some are obvious, others are very sophisticated and hard to identify. But what about when the sites themselves start gratuitously censoring real reviews, merely because they are negative? Isn’t actively filtering out a review, just because it is negative, every bit as much manipulating a product’s review profile as allowing a fake positive review to slip into the mix?
The censoring of negative reviews on some sites is unsurprising and almost expected. None of us expect a site belonging to, eg, Acme Services, and showing “customer reviews” would ever allow negative reviews of their services to stay up and unchallenged (and few of us believe the positive reviews, either!). But what about a supposedly neutral site, like Amazon? Surely they don’t care if a product receives a bona fide negative review, because that is as helpful to a future purchaser as a bona fide positive review, and they still stand to make a sale, just of an alternate product in the same category. Indeed, for most of us, we ignore the five-star reviews accompanied by throwaway comments like “Works really well, recommended” and seek out the more detailed reviews that show some thought and discernment.
But it turns out that Amazon has a Pollyanna approach to reviews. It loves positive reviews, but may reject negative ones. I know this, because it has happened to me, occasionally in the past, and twice recently.
From time to time, I’ll write a reviews of a product I buy on Amazon. In total, there are 92 reviews that Amazon hasn’t deleted, and they’ve amassed 1007 helpful votes My first review was way back on Feb 11, 2000. Almost without exception, all are of products verified purchases direct from Amazon. They range from one to five stars, and 58 of the 92 are either four or five star, the others a mix of one, two and three stars, and most are more than a line or two long. In other words, this is a perfect profile for a “real” reviewer”.
But, as I look through the list, I immediately notice one review I wrote, some time back, has mysteriously disappeared (a negative review of a book), and I see another review has been hidden by Amazon’s “sensitivity filter” (a one star review of an industrial UPS type lead acid battery that failed prematurely). A third party review analyzer site suggests I’ve had four reviews deleted by Amazon (and they have only noticed 53 of the 92 reviews, so maybe this suggests in total I’ve had 7 deleted), but Amazon has never told me about these deletions (or given me a chance to contest them), and with reviews dating back almost 20 years, I totally can’t remember what I’ve reviewed and what has disappeared. The unkindest part of this is that the review analyzer site is now downgrading my reliability as a reviewer because of the deleted reviews, when in reality, the opposite interpretation applies – chances are my reviews weren’t deleted because they were dishonestly praising products, but because I was accurately and honestly criticizing them.
Today – and the reason for this article – I received an email from Amazon advising that it was refusing to publish my most recent review because it didn’t meet their community guidelines.
Their community guidelines are lengthy and vague. But they do clearly say that if a review is rejected, it can not be revised and resubmitted. So you’ll never get to see my thoughts, no matter how sanitized and compliant, on this particular product, on Amazon. Of course, the rejection email was from a “no-reply” address and with no disclosed way to contact anyone for a doubtless pointless discussion of why the review was rejected.
The product is the Netgear R6700 Nighthawk AC1750 router. Superficially, it seems excellent. It has received 24,018 customer reviews as of now, averaging four stars (there’s some black magic in how Amazon “averages” review ratings as well, but that’s a topic for another time). It is an Amazon Choice product, and also apparently discounted (another topic for another – Amazon discounts which are illusory rather than real – as it turns out, I could save $25 off Amazon’s price by buying it elsewhere but with slower shipping). I wanted it immediately, and it seemed good, so I bought it (making it now the second time an Amazon Choice product has colossally disappointed).
Reviews that have been recently accepted for the Netgear router include such helpful gems as these (all five-star, most of the reviewers having limited numbers of reviews published, all brief, and all five-star, and one of which wasn’t even a verified purchase) :
- Really nice product – high performance and easy to install
- Excellent Router Nice Range Easy Set Up
- My wifi signal is crazy fast now
- Works great!
- Runs good for me
These are not the review headlines. These are the actual reviews themselves. Yes, you can submit a two-word review, or a review with the first letter of every word capitalized, and it will be accepted, presumably because it is positive, even if you didn’t buy the product from Amazon and have a limited history comprising entirely of brief gushing reviews.
But submit a detailed negative review, and you run the risk of being censored.
So, if you’re curious about my opinion of the Netgear R6700 Nighthawk AC1750 router, you’ll never see it on Amazon. But if you’re curious to read the type of review that Amazon refuses to publish, here it is below. If you can see, within it, the offensive element, please do let me know.
| Intermittent disconnects, Netgear couldn’t fix On paper, this seemed like a great router. But it had an intermittent problem – once or twice a day it would go offline. Netgear support was terrible, and after several failed attempts to diagnose/fix the problem, they offered to swap it for another router. Fair enough. Except they wanted to charge me $17 for the swap, on a new router that was bad from right out of the box on day one.I explained I could simply return it to Amazon for free and buy a better router from a different brand. Eventually, by naming and shaming them on Twitter, they first tried again to fix the problem with a more senior support rep helping. She also failed to fix, causing another week of intermittent disconnects (a real problem these days when relying on Alexa to do everything for one, even to turn on and off lights!) and then another offer to swap the bad unit for a good unit.And, again, the demand for $17 to do the swap – either that or send the bad unit in and wait for it to be received before a good exchange unit would be sent out. “How can I manage without a working router at home for over a week?” I asked. They had no reply.But, now the “good” news. Eventually they agreed to waive the $17 fee and send a new router out first. Yay. However, there was one more surprise waiting. After setting up the order, their support person then said “Oh, I’m sorry, we’re out of stock of this unit, and I don’t know when we’re getting more.” In such a case, you normally expect to strike it lucky and get a newer/better model, but in this case, Netgear’s offer was to instead send out a unit two generations older!Another unanswerable question “Why would I swap this brand new third generation router for an old obsolete first generation router when I can simply return it to Amazon for free and buy a better router from another supplier?”. So that’s what I did. Sure, I’ll concede that my experience was probably an exception rather than the normal rule – most of their routers probably work perfectly well out of the box. But it was two weeks of misery with a total failure to fix the problem, resolved only by returning it to Amazon. Thank you, Amazon, for your very fair return policy, but as for Netgear, what a colossal customer and technical service fail. | ||
Seems balanced and helpful, they should be grateful for reviews as nuanced as this.
Odd, maybe they don’t like that you mention Twitter… Surprising though, because you praised Amazon. Maybe Netgear pays them to make it “Amazon’s Choice” and thus Netgear would be unhappy…
I am disappointed that Amazon would reject your detailed review, even giving Amazon high marks at the end. I am now suspicious about their review system, and will likely give less credence when making my purchase decisions, going elsewhere for reviews when possible.
Manufacturers and sellers push for 5 star reviews. If they don’t get them, they rig the system. There are third world online people who rent USA IP addresses for the purpose of posting fake reviews. It’s rampant.
Even if you leave a bad review and it gets posted, there will be a team to make your review look insignificant.
With Amazon it’s hit folklore status: Search for reviews on “Uranium Ore” . Read the Q&A too.
I rarely read the 5 star reviews on anything. Does anyone really believe the 5 star review of the Motel 6? Based on the location – it might be a good clean room for a fair price…But 5 stars? I think not. Read the text, and yes – understand that most positive reviews without specifics are largely useless.
Customer service in the technology business is a white elephant. Customers have been pushing for lower costs for so long, that the last thing to cut was responsive support. Good support costs real money, and most makers have a choice of meeting the big box store price point or cutting back. They’ve already streamlined the hardware, the only thing left is development time and support. Given the choice between returning, or calling support on a bad product – return. It’s frankly not worth anyone’s time.
Hi, Daniel
Your point about “return a bad product rather than seek support – it’s not worth anyone’s time” is a very true (albeit regrettable) commentary on the reality that many manufacturers have created.
I must have spent two or three hours on the phone with support reps, all to support a product that was retailing for $90 so probably Netgear was getting no more than $60 from Amazon, and perhaps had $30 profit in it for themselves. That $30 margin doesn’t cover an hour of support, let alone three, and particularly if the support ends up at the return/replace point, it is all a total waste.
From our perspective, we see a $90 product, and expect that a simple tweak that an expert would know about in a minute or two can make it workable. But from the supplier perspective, they see an item with $30 profit margin in it, and a potentially bottomless pit of support cost associated. An interesting dichotomy.
I remember, in my marketing classes oh so many years ago in New Zealand, being told that in the US they don’t repair small appliances like toasters, portable electric heaters, etc; they simply replace them. At the time, toasters were expensive and labor was cheap in NZ and this was an astonishing thing to understand. But just as how our small appliances have become a replace rather than repair commodity, so too are our electronic goods moving the same way.
That’s no excuse for censoring my review, but it is an interesting insight and commentary on why the Netgear service was so poor. Thank you.
Absolutely shameful that Amazon did not put up your review. It raises a big flag in my mind about the unbiased nature of Amazon reviews. Thanks for sharing
Send a copy of this column to the Federal Trade Commission. They are interested in episodes of rigged reviews.
Interesting–I hardly ever post reviews on Amazon, but twice recently I’ve been “burned” and both times when I went to post a review, I, too, was told I was banned from posting reviews because I “violated community guidelines”.
How could I violate them if the last review I posted was 10 years ago???? I ended up calling them about the second item (a used book represented, and charged for, as a new book), and they gave me an adjustment and said they would “fix” whatever was preventing me from posting reviews. Haven’t tried to post since then.
Same thing happened to me.
I left a completely factual review of unroasted coffee beans that I purchased, which were advertised as being screen grade 16, 17, and 18. The label on the package which arrived said 15, 16, 17, 18. And when I measured the beans with a micrometer, I found mostly 13-14 grade beans. I submitted a review of the facts, included 4 photos: 1.) screen shot of the listing, 2.) photo of the label 3.) photo of the beans in the unopened package with a penny for size-perspective, and 4.) photo of a pile of beans, one of which being measured by my micrometer (@13).
My review was rejected. When I followed up, demanding to be given the exact reason, the reply was, “We couldn’t perceive a connection between the image and the product you reviewed. To meet our guidelines, the image must be relevant to the product.” HUH? My photos of the coffee beans I purchased wasn’t relevant to the coffee beans I purchased?
Manipulating reviews to make products appear to be objectively rated positively is fraud. We need to call them out on this. In the meantime, don’t use those reviews to make your purchase decisions because they are absolutely worthless.